Herodotus and Thucydides in Donald Kelley's historical inquiry

Ancient Historians

Influential Ancient Historians

Faces of History: Historical Inquiry from Herodotus to Herder by Donald R. Kelley

In his book, which is written in a scholarly, colorful, and interesting style, and is as rich with thought-provoking questions as it is lean on assumptions, author Kelley goes to great lengths to set the stage for every historian's work that he discusses. On page 3, he says that "the difficulty" in writing about ancient historians, is, initially, "the question of what qualifies, retrospectively, as 'history'." Does one include the writings of an ancient historian like Herodotus, Kelly asks, since Herodotus's "inquiries" are very subjective and do not fit "modern prescriptions of historical methods"?

And as one reads through the various books on ancient historians, it becomes apparent that chroniclers like Herodotus must be considered historians because there is little else to base "history" upon - and moreover, it is vain and narrow in vision to consider modern objectivity as the only legitimate approach to the past.

Meantime, Kelley (p. 4) presents a point by illustrating the difference - the "polarization" of strategies - between two giants of ancient history, Herodotus and Thucydides; he cites Herodotus's style of story-telling and curiosity, and Thucydides' interrogative inquiries into the causes and "progression" of the Peloponnesian wars. And in that setting, Kelley asks, which distinctive technique is to be more valid: is it "history which tells a story, with or without a point, [or] history which poses a question, whether answerable or not." Both of those techniques will be presented through discussions of several important historians, in this paper. Kelley also rather succinctly sums up the difficulty presented to today's generation of scholars - and those researchers from the more recent past -when it comes to deciding what was factual, and what was simply oral history handed down and perhaps watered down from its origins. "Whatever messages authors may have wanted to send" (p. 6), he writes, "the messages received are construed in different times, places, and circumstances." He continues, brilliantly portraying the larger question of the truth behind history: "The historians behind the words, like the thoughts between the lines, are truly beyond our grasp...[and] the histories that we read have been written in worlds that are not only different but even in some ways incommensurable..."

And with that profound introduction to the subject of ancient historians, the paper will examine historical analyses from several other noted scholars.

Literary Texts and the Roman Historian - by David S. Potter

Author David Potter (p. 12) writes that "good and bad history was evaluated in terms of its relationship to truth." That last phrase is telling, in the sense of a search for objectivity, given that so much evidence - in previous analysis of ancient historians - exists that shows there was not always a desire to present the truth by the ancients, rather, there seemed a passion for them to spin it their way, lest someone else would come along and lay it out another way. And Potter also makes a salient point (p. 15) when he writes: "the dichotomy between 'true' and 'false' in the evaluation of history may also be connected with the tendency to discuss the work of historians in language laden with moral overtones." The language we discover when we read ancient history, Potter continues, "reflects a tendency to attribute value to a statement because of a speaker's reputation rather than by invoking an external control of reliability." How credible the speaker was, and the injection of moral overtones certainly suggests strong subjectivity, which today's historians would probably not accept. Let's say, the "historian" writing about 9/11 spent a number of pages not just chronicling events leading up to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, but blasting the Clinton Administration - in strong political tones - for not dispensing with (e.g., killing) bin Laden long before. Certainly the Clinton years, and the first eight months of the Bush era, are part and parcel of the background story - in Bush's case, his administration was given detailed, pointed, well researched documents that warned his team of terror being planned. And certainly the FBI had ample evidence that radical Islamic fundamentalists with wads of money were training to fly but didn't want to learn how to land. But if the "historian" writing that piece laid blame on Bush, or Clinton, as an absolute political factual point, it would no longer be considered objective.

It's no big surprise that in ancient times, given that access to any information was restricted, if a writer only had one source, that the "facts" would be slanted that way. And (p. 15) Potter spells it out directly, albeit subjectively, when he writes that if a person did not investigate the truth "accurately, the chances were that he was a self-conscious liar or a fool."

It's germane to note that, in pre-printing press times, the word "publication" - which today means dissemination of written texts in numerous genres - meant that "an author has lost control of his text" (p. 29).

There were three stages to publication, Potter explains. The first stage (ekdosis), was when the author considered his or her work completed, and handed it on to followers. The second stage of publication (diadosis) indicated that the work was given to "the world at large" - and the third stage, paradosis, was the passing on of a text from one generation to another. What sometimes happened, to alter the text's meaning, was that when friends or students asked the writer for a copy, the writer would provide notes from the text, and those notes were sometimes later represented as factual excerpts of the text.

Potter explains that "Historiography" - in the Greco-Roman genre - should be seen by the researcher as the "process of acquiring knowledge and explaining it rather than as a record" (p. 79). This helps explain why "objective" historical records are very few and far between; the historical writer is trying to find the information, and interpret it, analyze it. And since so many obstacles were put in the path of those long-ago historians, nit-picking about their lack of pure objectivity seems almost petty. Meantime, Potter points out (p. 80) that in about the 5th Century BC a more "systematic record of phenomena developed," making it possible for a relationship - albeit "problematic" - to be established between "historians" and other "systematic recorders of events." Basically, that means things began to be written down in a more consistent way - although the nagging issue of subjectivity vs. objectivity still remains a subject of debate among scholars in 2003.

Literary Texts and the Greek Historian - by Christopher Pelling

Immediately setting the ground rules for understanding his book, author Pelling spells out the meaning of "rhetoric" in the second paragraph of Chapter 1 (p. 1): "Rhetoric is not limited to 'oratory', the literary genre of speech-making," he points out. "Rhetoric is the craft of persuasion." An example of a style of rhetoric is narrative, "Where an author selects and presents material in such a way as to persuade the audience that these were the facts..." It's a key clarifying point for Pelling to discuss "rhetoric," because in the modern world of politics and journalism, the word "rhetoric" has come to mean "hot air," or "B.S." - a politician giving his or her partisan spin on an issue or event. "Oh, that was just rhetoric," one hears so often.

Meanwhile, Pelling goes to great lengths to explain how Greek historian Thucydides "shapes his narrative selection, emphasis, articulation" (p. 44) to "impose a particular reading of events." Pelling states that the ancients had abilities to "invent" and a "capacity to believe" their recorded stories, which are "persistently underestimated" today. One method Pelling employs to try to reach an accurate reading of the material is to "start late and work back." His writing of Green historian Plutarch is interesting, as Plutarch is discussing Thucydides' text account of various Athenian decrees. "He [Plutarch] will not, he says...compete artistically against Thucydides...for there the historian 'was at his most emotional, vivid, and varied'" (p. 45). Rather, Plutarch, in his own words, talks about what information he will reveal: "[I will] try to collect material that is not well-known but scattered among other authors, or found on ancient dedications and decrees," he wrote. He defended the "ancient" material as not "an accumulation of useless erudition: I am conveying material which is helpful for grasping [Thucydides'] nature and character."

In another example of a historian attaching his personal opinions on an account from the past, Plutarch "adds his verdict on Nicais' generalship" (p. 47) thusly: "It was one thing to oppose [Nicias'] expedition in Athens," Pelling writes in a paraphrase of Plutarch. "...But he should not have wrecked it by his apathy, always gazing wistfully home from his ship." Again, this account of Plutarch plainly shows a total lack of objectivity - by modern standards - in recording vital historical accounts. But again, it's easy for 21st Century scholars and students to pass judgment on what happened so long ago. The important issue for those in today's generation is to understand how history was written, and transcribed over the years, and to keep historical accounts in that perspective.

The Ancient Historians - by Michael Grant

Author Michael Grant (p. 18) discusses the "decisive turn" in the recording of history using "quasi-scientific studies" - a turn taken in the works of prose called Journey round the World and Genealogies, written by Greek Hecatacus of Miletus. Hecatacus, who had reportedly played a leading part in the Ionian revolt against the Persians (500-494), wrote his prose through itineraries and notes, and described Europe and Asia, where his travels had taken him. Grant asserts that this watershed moment in the science of historical documentation contained exact descriptions of "flora and fauna, people, local religious and historical peculiarities." As to the objectivity of Hecatacus' historical writing - in contrast with "modern standards of objectivity" - there is no comparison, nor would any reasonable researcher expect there to be similarities. However, Grant's quotes from Hecatacus' personal inspection of Egyptian wonders shows why Grant believed these prose works bordered on science. "What I write here" (p. 19) Hecatacus wrote, "is the account I believe to be true. For the stories that the Greeks tell are many, and in my opinion ridiculous." Here is the evidence of objective science coming into the picture, as Hecatacus clearly is rejecting Greek Myths, at least some of them. And so, Grant alludes to Hecatacus as "history's grandfather," since Herodotus was history's "father."

On the subject of Herodotus, Grant gives him praise (p. 65) when Herodotus is presented with incomplete information about Persian War battles and about a possible ocean beyond Europe. Herodotus, wisely, showing a sense of objective science, refuses to make up stories about Europe handed down word of mouth. "About the far west of Europe I have no definite information...In spite of my efforts to do so, I have never found anyone who could give me first hand information about the existence of a sea beyond Europe to the north and west."

The Roman Historians - by Ronald Mellor

In Mellor's interesting book, he discusses the earliest surviving complete histories from ancient Rome: a pair of monographs (p. 30), written by retired general C. Sallustius Crispus in the decade immediately after Julius Caesar's death (44 BCE). The writings examined the "political pathology of the final death throes of the Roman Republic," and, Sallust' work was full of a "fierce moral vision," according to Mellor - and probably not very objective, given the tenor of the times. However, in later life, Sallust turned fully to work as an historian, and took free rein to critique the Roman power structure which had led the state to its demise, particularly in The Jugurthine War.

For one to rule one's country or subjects by force" (p. 34), he wrote, "although you both have the power to correct abuses, and do correct them, is nevertheless tyrannical; especially since all attempts at change foreshadow bloodshed, exile, and other horrors of war." And while this kind of writing is vitally important for today's researchers and for posterity, and it is clearly overflowing with passion, it is not "objective history." But before passing judgment on Sallust, one must keep in mind that - albeit he now claimed to be an historian, and indeed was one - he had been through wars, brutal power plays, death, corruption in the Senate, and felt it was now his intellectual duty to record those events from his own life's experience. He wrote of his country's bloody and tempestuous times, notwithstanding possible peer criticism; or, as he put it: "...in order that no one may suppose that I am led by vanity to eulogize my own favorite occupation.

Another politician turned historian was Livy, mentioned earlier in this paper.

The author refers to Livy as the first "professional historian" in Rome. Livy talks about his writing, and his career (p. 50), in this passage, which shows attention to detail and insightfulness; moreover, he is saying, hey, those reading this might not like what they hear (the undoing of Rome), but it must be said:

doubt that to most readers the earliest origins and the period immediately succeeding them will give little pleasure, for they will be in haste to reach these modern times, in which the might of a people which has long been very powerful is working its own undoing." This is subjective, but true material. It could easily be compared with a typical newspaper column in the op-ed page of the Sunday New York Times, for example - but it wouldn't make the front page.

Another Roman historian mentioned previously in this paper, Tacitus, combined, according to Mellor, literary artistry, intellectual coherence, and research. "Tacitus' primary goal was to understand the past and to convey his ideas effectively," Mellor writes. Indeed, in this passage, Tacitus is like a pedagogue, laying out the fact that history is about learning.

Before I begin my project, it seems best to consider the condition of Rome, the feelings of the army, the attitude of the provinces, and the strengths and weaknesses of the entire Empire. Thus we can learn not only events and consequences (which are often determined by chance) but the underlying logic and causes as well."